9/5 Transcript from Downtown Parking Garage Item

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(Mr. Thomason talking now):
00:12:52 >> MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL, MY NAME'S 
00:12:55 RONNIE, I'M HERE REPRESENTING THOMASON TIRES, 
00:12:59 AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF 
00:13:02 CLOSING THE HERMAN STREET, BUT I FIRST 
00:13:05 HAVE A QUESTION, WE VISITED THIS ISSUE 
00:13:07 BACK IN MARCH AND I THOUGHT WE VOTED ON 
00:13:10 IT AT THAT TIME, WAS THAT NOT BINDING 
00:13:16 OR NOT -- IF THAT'S A QUESTION SOMEBODY 
00:13:19 CAN ANSWER FOR ME. 
00:13:22 WE WERE GOING TO LEAVE THE STREET OPEN 
00:13:24 AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN. 
00:13:25 >> I THINK APPROPRIATELY, THIS IS AN 
00:13:27 OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO SPEAK, BUT 
00:13:30 COUNCIL AND MYSELF INCLUDED 
00:13:33 SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENGAGE 
00:13:34 IN A DIALOGUE AT THIS POINT. 
00:13:37 >> ALRIGHT. 
00:13:38 WHAT I HAVE SPOKE TO YOU BEFORE BUT 
00:13:42 HERMAN STREET IS VITAL TO MY OPERATION, 
00:13:44 WE DO A LOT OF COMMERCIAL TIRE SERVICE, 
00:13:47 A LOT OF THAT IS AT THE WEST SIDE OF 
00:13:50 OUR FACILITY, HERMAN STREET IS A VIABLE 
00:13:53 PART OF GETTING TRUCK, TRAILERS, LARGE 
00:13:54 EQUIPMENT TO THE BACK, IF YOU CLOSE 
00:13:57 HERMAN STREET, THERE'S NOT A GOOD 
00:14:00 ALTERNATIVE, YOU TALK ABOUT COMING DOWN 
00:14:02 HUNT STREET AND COMING AROUND CHESTNUT 
00:14:04 AND TRYING TO BACK IN, I THINK YOU 
00:14:07 REALIZE HOW SMALL CHESTNUT STREET IS, 
00:14:08 THAT'S NOT A VIABLE DEAL. 
00:14:11 I HAVE -- WE HAVE TRAILERS THAT ARE 60 
00:14:14 FEET LONG PLUS THE TRUCK, THEY HAVE A 
00:14:18 HARD ENOUGH TIME TURNING ON HERMAN MUCH 
00:14:20 LESS COMING FROM THE OTHER WAY, IF YOU 
00:14:22 CLOSE IT, WE HAVE DELIVERY VEHICLES 
00:14:24 THAT ARE COMING IN, WE TAKE VEHICLES IN 
00:14:26 AND OUT OF THAT SOUTH GATE DAILY, 
00:14:30 PARKING VEHICLE, DELIVERY VEHICLES 
00:14:31 COMING IN, SO IF YOU CLOSE IT, I MEAN, 
00:14:33 I HAVE A PROBLEM, I HAVE AN EAST GATE I 
00:14:36 CAN OPEN BUT THE DUMPSTERS THERE, I CAN 
00:14:39 USE THAT GATE, BUT I LOSE ALL THE 
00:14:40 PARKING I HAVE ON THE SIDE OF MY 
00:14:44 BUILDING, I CAN'T USE ANY OF THEM GOING 
00:14:46 IN AND OUT, SO THIS IS JUST NOT A REAL 
00:14:50 VIABLE DEAL, THERE'S NO OTHER WAY FOR 
00:14:51 ME TO GET IN AND OUT. 
00:14:53 I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE 
00:14:56 BUT THEN Y'ALL ALSO MENTIONED IF YOU 
00:14:57 WERE GOING TO CLOSE IT, YOU WERE GOING 
00:14:59 TO DO SOMETHING WITH CHESTNUT STREET. 
00:15:02 IT'S VERY NARROW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO 
00:15:04 TAKE PART OF CHINS NUT STREET, THAT 
00:15:06 WOULD BE PART OF MY STREET, WE HAVE A 
00:15:11 BURNER BACK ON CHESTNUT, IF YOU TAKE 
00:15:13 PART OF THE PROPERTY I DON'T HAVE MUCH 
00:15:15 LEFT, YOU'RE TALK ABOUT DOING SOMETHING 
00:15:18 WITH HUNT STREET, THAT INTERSECTION 
00:15:20 THERE, WE HAVE NOWHERE TO TURN, I STILL 
00:15:23 NEED HERMAN STREET, THAT'S SOMETHING 
00:15:25 USED FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND IT'S 
00:15:26 SOMETHING WE ALMOST HAVE TO HAVE, WE'VE 
00:15:29 BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 1954, BEEN IN 
00:15:37 THAT SECTION SINCE 1979, YOU CAN'T 
00:15:38 CLOSE THE STREET, YOU CAN'T BELIEVE THE 
00:15:40 TRAFFIC THAT GOES UP AND DOWN THE 
00:15:42 STREET ON A DAILY BASIS, I IMPLORE YOU, 
00:15:46 LET'S LEAVE THE STREET OPEN. 
00:15:49 THANK YOU. 

(Now, we have the Downtown Parking Garage Item with Mayor Fuller starting it off):01:38:36 >> ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM IS 17-886, 
01:38:40 DISCUSS THE PROGRESS ON THE SCHEMATIC 
01:38:43 DESIGN FOR DOWNTOWN PUBLIC PARKING 
01:38:44 GARAGE GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE 
01:38:48 NORTHEAST CORNER OF CHESTNUT STREET AND 
01:38:52 VIRGINIA STREET. 
01:38:53 I WANT TO RESPOND BECAUSE I WAS ASKED A 
01:38:56 QUESTION, WE GENERALLY DON'T RESPOND 
01:38:58 DURING THE PUBLIC CITIZEN COMMENTS BUT 
01:39:00 I BELIEVE HE'S ENTITLED TO AN ANSWER, 
01:39:03 AND MR. THOMASON ASKED WHY IS THIS BACK 
01:39:05 IN FRONT OF US, AND I CERTAINLY WILL 
01:39:08 TAKE MUCH IF NOT ALL THE RESPONSIBILITY 
01:39:10 IN BRINGING THIS BACK, IT'S SOMETHING 
01:39:11 THAT I FELT WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT AGAIN 
01:39:14 AND I UNDERSTAND IT WAS VISITED BEFORE 
01:39:18 BUT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT IT 
01:39:20 AGAIN AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS AT 
01:39:24 LEAST IN MY OPINION, WE VOTED ON A 
01:39:26 CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS MUCH LESS 
01:39:28 SUFFICIENT THAN IT COULD HAVE BEEN AND 
01:39:31 ALTHOUGH I CAN APPRECIATE SOME OF THE 
01:39:32 COMMENTS THAT HE MADE OR ALL THE 
01:39:35 COMMENTS HE MADE, WHILE I CERTAINLY 
01:39:37 WOULD LIKE THOSE TO BE ADDRESSED BY 
01:39:42 CITY STAFF ON WHAT ALTERNATIVES THERE 
01:39:44 ARE FOR HIM, BUT AT THE END OF THE 
01:39:47 ANALYSIS, IT'S A 14 FOOT AVENUE IF YOU 
01:39:51 WILL, TWO WAY, THAT I HEAR HAS MUCH 
01:39:54 CONCERN AND HAVE HEARD AS MUCH 
01:39:56 CONCERNED EXPRESS ABOUT THE 18 WHEELERS 
01:40:00 AND THE TRUCKS TRAVELING ON THAT ROAD 
01:40:02 ON A ROAD THAT'S NOT SET UP FOR THAT 
01:40:05 TYPE OF TRAFFIC, ALTHOUGH THERE IS 
01:40:06 ARGUMENT FOR IT FROM SOMEONE READING 
01:40:08 IT, THERE'S A LOT OF ARGUMENT AGAINST 
01:40:11 IT FOR THOSE WHO DEAL WITH THE EFFECTS 
01:40:14 OF THAT, ALL THAT SAID, I THINK IT'S 
01:40:16 BECOME UPON US AS NEW ELECTED OFFICIALS 
01:40:19 SINCE WE LAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT 
01:40:21 IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR A CITY AS 
01:40:24 A WHOLE FOR ALL RESIDENTS AND MAKE THE 
01:40:28 DECISION WE CAN FOR EVERYBODY 
01:40:29 HOLISTICALLY IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S 
01:40:33 WHY IT'S BEEN BROUGHT BACK UP AND I'LL 
01:40:34 OWN THAT AS A PERSON ASKING TO PUT IT 
01:40:39 BACK ON THE AGENDA, BLAME THAT ON ME, 
01:40:43 SO WITH THAT SAID, IF YOU WILL COME ON 
01:40:45 UP. 
01:40:46 >> THANK YOU PLAINTIFF'S EXHIBITER 
01:40:47 MAYOR, I DON'T HAVE A FORMAL 
01:40:48 PRESENTATION, I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON A 
01:40:50 LOT OF THE HIGH POINTS BUT TO KIND OF 
01:40:52 GIVE YOU GUYS AN UPDATE ON THE CURRENT 
01:40:55 STATUS OF THE DOWNTOWN PUB LUCK PARKING 
01:40:57 GARAGE, IT IS CURRENTLY IN DEVELOPMENT 
01:40:59 REVIEW, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR SITE 
01:41:01 PLAN OF BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND PLAT, 
01:41:04 SO IT'S STILL BEING WORKED OUT THROUGH 
01:41:06 COMMENTS BACK AND FORTH WITH THE 
01:41:07 DEVELOPER AND STAFF. 
01:41:08 I HAVE INCLUDED BOTH THE DRAFT VERSIONS 
01:41:11 OF THE SITE PLAN, BUILDING ELEVATIONS 
01:41:14 AND I'VE ALSO INCLUDED THE PARKING 
01:41:17 STRUCTURE UPDATE THAT WAS BACK IN 
01:41:19 MARCH, EARLIER THIS YEAR, SO WITH THAT, 
01:41:20 I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY 
01:41:23 QUESTIONS AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE 
01:41:25 DEVELOPER IF HE HAS -- 
01:41:26 >> MARTIN, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP. 
01:41:28 HERE'S THE QUESTIONS I KNOW I'M GOING 
01:41:30 TO HAVE FOR THE DEVELOPER. 
01:41:33 SURE, YEAH, AND -- DO YOU WANT TO -- 
01:41:36 I'M SORRY, I'M GOING OFF, I HAVE A LOT 
01:41:39 OF QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY AS WELL, BUT 
01:41:41 MARTIN, IF YOU CAN GIVE US AN OVERVIEW 
01:41:43 AND WHAT I WOULD EXPECT IN THAT 
01:41:47 OVERVIEW IS THE MOST RELEVANT 
01:41:50 INFORMATION WOULD BE WHERE YOU ARE 
01:41:51 TODAY, WHAT IS THE COST IF ANY TO 
01:41:54 REDIRECT IF WE SO CHOSE TO DO THAT AND 
01:41:59 SO LET'S START THERE AND GET INTO SOME 
01:42:03 HARD QUESTIONS. 
01:42:18 >> SO, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE PUTTING 
01:42:20 TOGETHER -- ABOUT TO SHOW US THE 
01:42:23 PRESENTATION THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE. 
01:42:24 >> MR. MAYOR, IF IT'S OKAY TO YOU, I 
01:42:26 WASN'T GOING TO GET INTO THAT GRANULAR. 
01:42:28 >> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU TO NOT DO 
01:42:30 THAT. 
01:42:31 >> I THINK THERE'S ISSUES -- 
01:42:32 >> SO, MR. MAYOR, WHERE WE'RE AT 
01:42:38 CURRENTLY FROM WHERE WE LEFT IT OFF 
01:42:41 PREVIOUSLY, WE HAVE DESIGNED THE 
01:42:46 BUILDING FULL ARCHITECTURE MVP, ALL THE 
01:42:48 DETAILS, WE'VE BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH 
01:42:49 THE CITY IN CONCERT ON COST REDUCTION 
01:42:53 ISSUES WITH ENCORE, ETC., THERE'S A 
01:42:54 POWER POLE WE HAVE TO MOVE, WE HAVE ALL 
01:42:57 THE ENGINEERING DONE, LITERALLY WE'RE 
01:42:59 AT THE POINT WHERE I CAN TELL YOU 
01:43:00 TODAY, I WOULD LIKE TO BUY THE BIDS, 
01:43:03 THE HARD BIDS WE'VE GOT SOONER THAN 
01:43:05 LATER BECAUSE OF THE EFFECTS OF 
01:43:09 HURRICANE HARVEY, LABOR AND MATERIALS 
01:43:10 ARE GOING TO BE SUCKED DOWN THERE, 
01:43:12 PRICES ARE GOING TO GO UP, WE BID IT UP 
01:43:16 IN THE LAST TWO, THREE WEEKS AND WE 
01:43:19 HAVE SOME SAVINGS, WE ALSO HAD SOME ADDS 
01:43:21 TO THE BUILDING THAT WERE NOT 
01:43:23 ANTICIPATED, THE ORIGINAL BUILD 
01:43:26 AGREEMENT THAT WE CONTEMPLATED INTERNAL 
01:43:28 ELEVATOR TO THE BUILDING AND FIRE 
01:43:31 SPRINKLERS AND THE AMOUNT OF MASONRY WE 
01:43:33 HAD TO ADD TO THE BUILDING, CODE 
01:43:35 DESIGN, ETC., SO EVEN THOUGH WE HARD 
01:43:37 BID IT AND GOT GREAT BIDS, THE COST 
01:43:42 SAVINGS WERE NET MUTUAL SO WE THOUGHT 
01:43:43 WHERE WE WERE GOING TO BE NOT BY DESIGN 
01:43:46 BUT HAPPENSTANCE BUT WE'VE ADDED ALL 
01:43:48 THESE OTHER THINGS, SO WHERE I'M AT IS 
01:43:52 GO BIG OF WHAT WE GOT OR AS I MENTIONED 
01:43:55 TO CITY STAFF OR COUNCIL BEFORE IS THAT 
01:43:58 WE ARE IN ESSENCE BUILDING AS I'VE SAID 
01:44:01 BEFORE AND I FINALLY GOT A GREAT 
01:44:04 ANALOGY FOR IT, IF YOU IMAGINE A GLASS, 
01:44:06 NOT THAT WE'RE BUILDING IT HALF WAY 
01:44:09 THIS WAY, BUT WE'RE BUILDING A GLASS 
01:44:12 HALF WAY THIS WAY, IS IT EFFICIENT? 
01:44:15 NOT REALLY, IT NEVER HAS BEEN EFFICIENT 
01:44:17 TO DO IT THAT WAY, SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN 
01:44:21 BUILDING OUT AND STUDYING ALL SORT OF 
01:44:25 SPREADSHEET PERMUTATIONS AND SO ON, 
01:44:28 HERE'S THE THING IF YOU WOULD, WE ARE 
01:44:31 CURRENTLY AT BUILDING THE FACILITY 315 
01:44:36 SPACES AT 7.5 MILLION DOLLARS, OKAY, A 
01:44:40 LITTLE UNDER WHAT WE ANTICIPATED BEFORE. 
01:44:43 WE HAVE USED UP ALL OF OUR CONTINGENCY, 
01:44:46 WE HAVE NOTHING LEFT TO ADD ONE MORE 
01:44:51 BRICK THEORETICALLY, IF YOU TOOK HERMAN 
01:44:54 DONE AND MADE IT A MORE EFFICIENT 
01:44:57 PARKING LOT, IF YOU TOOK HERMAN DOWN 
01:44:59 AND MADE IT AN EFFICIENT BUILDING, 
01:45:01 WE WENT FROM FIVE STOREYS TO FOUR 
01:45:03 STOREYS TO GAIN MORE EFFICIENCIES, WE 
01:45:06 COULD GO FROM 315 TO 345 ROUGHLY FOR A 
01:45:11 LITTLE BIT MORE CONCRETE AND THAT WOULD 
01:45:13 BE ABOUT 200 THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF 
01:45:16 CONCRETE BRINGING THE PRICE PER SPACE 
01:45:18 DOWN ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER 
01:45:21 SPACE, CLEANING UP HERMAN AND THE FACT 
01:45:23 THAT IT IS AN ALLEY, THAT IS NOT A 
01:45:25 ROAD, AND DEALING WITH THAT TRUCK 
01:45:29 TRAFFIC, BRINGING A TOTAL OF LIKE I 
01:45:33 SAID, 345 SPACES, ONE OF THE THINGS 
01:45:35 THAT WAS GOING TO BE GERMANE TO YOU, 
01:45:38 MR. MAYOR, AS A DEVELOPER, KEEPING 
01:45:41 [INAUDIBLE] GRAB THAT LITTLE THING IN 
01:45:42 THE CORNER AND MAKE IT LARGER, WE COULD 
01:45:45 DO THAT FAIRLY QUICKLY, STILL BUY THE 
01:45:49 BIDS TODAY AND JUST DO THE CHANGES ON 
01:45:52 THE FLY AS WE GO AND BE UNDER 
01:45:55 CONSTRUCTION IN MY OPINION IN THE NEXT 
01:45:58 60 DAYS, SO I CAN GO DO THAT OR GO 
01:46:01 BASICALLY WHAT TURNS OUT TO BE ABOUT 
01:46:03 875 THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF VALUE AND 
01:46:07 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES FOR THE COST 
01:46:09 OF ABOUT 2008 -- 208 THOUSAND 
01:46:15 DOLLARS. 
01:46:16 >> [INAUDIBLE]. 
01:46:17 >> YES, SIR. 
01:46:18 >> SO, UNLESS SOMEONE HAS QUESTIONS 
01:46:21 SPECIFICALLY TO THAT, I THINK WE'D ALL 
01:46:24 LIKE TO DIVE IN REAL QUICK INTO THE 
01:46:27 CITY ISSUES ON HERMAN STREET, WE HEARD 
01:46:29 FROM MR. THOMASON. 
01:46:31 >> MR. MAYOR, IF I CAN ADD ONE MORE 
01:46:34 DATA POINT FOR YOU, I DID A FURTHER 
01:46:37 ANALYSIS OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE 
01:46:39 WENT FROM TODAY'S SCENARIO BY THE 
01:46:40 CONTRACT AND I WENT FROM 315 TO 415 
01:46:45 SPACES, WHY, BECAUSE I LIKE 
01:46:47 SPREADSHEETS AND JUST IN CASE YOU ASKED 
01:46:52 THE QUESTION, YOU -- 
01:46:55 >> [INAUDIBLE]. 
01:46:56 >> WE COULD GET ABOUT 2.1 MILLION 
01:46:59 DOLLARS WORTH OF ADDED VALUE, AN EXTRA 
01:47:01 100 SPACES FOR THE COST OF ABOUT 1.2 
01:47:05 MILLION, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S 
01:47:06 WHERE WE WANT TO GO WITH THE PUBLIC'S 
01:47:08 MONEY, BUT THAT'S MY ONLY EDITORIAL, SIR 
01:47:14 >> AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE HOW MANY 
01:47:17 SPACES? 
01:47:19 >> 415. 
01:47:20 >> INCREASE IT BY 30%? 
01:47:21 >> YES, AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD BE DOWN 
01:47:23 ON A PER SPACE BASIS, DO THE MATH, 19 
01:47:29 THOUSAND, RIGHT AT 20 THOUSAND MARK BUT 
01:47:31 THAT'S MORE MONEY. 
01:47:32 I'M NOT ASKING YOU FOR THAT, I'M GIVING 
01:47:36 YOU DATA POINTS: MORE MONEY FOR 
01:47:39 FULFILLING A NEED WE'RE NOT FILLING 
01:47:40 ALREADY. 
01:47:41 >> WHAT'S THAT TOTAL COST? 
01:47:43 YOU'RE UP TO ABOUT 8.7 MILLION, 415 
01:47:47 SPACES? 
01:47:50 >> I APOLOGIZE, COUNCILMEMBER BRANCH, 
01:47:53 THAT WOULD BE 8.73 MILLION. 
01:47:55 I DON'T WANT TO ROUND UP OR DOWN ON 
01:47:58 THAT. 
01:47:59 415 SPACES. 
01:48:00 THAT WOULD BE ASSUMING TAKING HERMAN 
01:48:01 DOWN WITH THE ELEVATOR WITH THE FIRE 
01:48:03 SPRINKLER WITH ALL OF THE -- THIS 
01:48:06 PICTURE YOU SEE NOW IN FINITE DETAIL, I 
01:48:09 THINK WE WORKED OUT 99% OF THE ITEMS 
01:48:11 WITH STAFF, PLANNING AND ENGINEERING 
01:48:13 AND THAT'S WHY I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH 
01:48:15 TELLING YOU I COULD GO BY THE CONTRACTS 
01:48:21 TODAY. 
01:48:22 >> ROUGHLY 9.8-ISH BASED ON MY MATH 
01:48:25 VERSUS -- 
01:48:26 >> THE 315 WAS 24 THOUSAND. 
01:48:32 >> AND OF COURSE WE FOUND OUT WE HAD 
01:48:34 SOME FUND BALANCES. 
01:48:40 SO, LET'S GET INTO QUICKLY THE 
01:48:41 DISCUSSION ON HERMAN STREET AND THE 
01:48:43 COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY MR. THOMASON 
01:48:47 IF WE CAN, THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO 
01:48:49 IS HURT A BUSINESS, WE WANT TO LOOK AT 
01:48:52 THINGS. 
01:48:53 >> BARRY SHELTON, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, I'LL 
01:48:55 ANSWER MOST OF THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I 
01:48:57 WAS INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS FROM THE 
01:49:00 BEGINNING AND WAS PART OF THE MARCH 
01:49:07 DISCUSSION WHICH IS TO LEAVE HERMAN 
01:49:09 OPEN, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE 
01:49:12 OF EXHIBITS, WE LOOKED AT TURNING 
01:49:13 MOVEMENTS TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THE 
01:49:18 CONCERNS OF THOMASON TIRE, LET'S GET TO 
01:49:20 THOSE HERE VERY QUICKLY, SO WE LOOKED 
01:49:25 CLOSING HERMAN WHICH IS THE RED HATCH MARK 
01:49:30 ROADWAY IS THE HERMAN ROAD WHICH WOULD 
01:49:32 BE -- IT WOULD BE UTILIZED FOR THE 
01:49:35 CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARKING GARAGE, SO 
01:49:36 WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF THINGS, FIRST 
01:49:40 THERE WERE TURNING MOVEMENTS FOR THE 
01:49:41 FRONT HALF OR THE EASTERN HALF OF THE 
01:49:48 THOMASON TIRE OPERATION, AND YOU CAN SEE 
01:49:50 IT WITH -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE 
01:49:52 THIS OPEN, IF YOU COULD, THAT WOULD BE 
01:49:54 GREAT. 
01:49:55 THE FRONT HALF, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A 
01:49:58 FENCE THAT IS SHOWN IN THE TOP ROAD 
01:50:03 HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE FENCING THEY HAVE 
01:50:08 CURRENTLY WITH THE TIRES STACKED THERE 
01:50:14 AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS HERMAN RIGHT 
01:50:18 THROUGH THIS AREA HERE, HERMAN ALSO IS 
01:50:21 RUNNING ACROSS THE FRONT OF THIS 
01:50:23 PICTURE IN THIS DIRECTION HERE, SO WHEN 
01:50:28 LOOKING AT THE FIRST DEAL, THE ACCESS 
01:50:32 -- THE CURRENTLY TAKEN THE WHICH GOES 
01:50:37 DOWN HERMAN ASK CUTS DOWN THE 
01:50:39 BUILDINGS, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO 
01:50:42 TAKE OUT THAT FENCING TO BE ABLE TO 
01:50:45 MAKE THAT MOVEMENT THERE, SO IT'S A 
01:50:46 LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE IN THEIR 
01:50:48 OPERATION ON THE FRONT HALF. 
01:50:49 THAT WAS ONE CONCERN THAT THOMASON TIRE 
01:50:55 OWNERSHIP HAD. 
01:50:56 WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE KEY COMPONENT WAS 
01:50:59 THE PARKING OF LARGE TRUCKS FOR TIRE 
01:51:02 SERVICE AT THE BACK PORTION OF THEIR 
01:51:04 BUILDING AND THEY CURRENTLY ARE COMING 
01:51:08 UP HERMAN PULLING INTO THE SITE AND 
01:51:11 BACKING IN TO HAVE THE SERVICE 
01:51:15 COMPLETED SO THAT'S WHERE THEIR CONCERN 
01:51:17 WAS WITH HERMAN STREET BEING UTILIZED. 
01:51:21 SO, WE LOOKED AT THOSE TURNING 
01:51:24 MOVEMENTS ALONG A DIFFERENT ROUTE WHICH 
01:51:25 WAS TO COME IN HUNT AND COME IN ALONG 
01:51:28 CHESTNUT AND BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT 
01:51:31 SITE AND YOU HAD OUR ENGINEERING 
01:51:35 DEPARTMENT LOOK AT DIFFERENT TURNING 
01:51:36 TEMPTATIONS SO THERE'S A COMPUTER 
01:51:38 PROGRAM THEY CAN PUT IN DIFFERENT TRUCK 
01:51:40 TYPES THIS SHOWS THE TURNING MOVEMENTS 
01:51:42 AND WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY. 
01:51:43 WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT TRUCKING 
01:51:46 PULLING HEAD-IN INTO THAT BACK PORTION 
01:51:50 OF THE THOMASON TIRE SITE, THE MOVEMENT 
01:51:52 AROUND THIS BORDER RIGHT HERE WAS VERY 
01:51:55 DIFFICULT GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE 
01:51:57 ROADWAY, WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME 
01:51:59 IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD BE MADE TO 
01:52:01 WIDEN THAT INTERSECTION TO MAKE THAT 
01:52:03 MOVEMENT POSSIBLE SO THAT WOULD GET 
01:52:05 TRUCKS IN HEAD IN TO THAT BACK PORTION 
01:52:07 OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN WE LOOKED 
01:52:11 AFTER THAT THE TRUCKS MAKING A MOVEMENT 
01:52:13 DOWN CHESTNUT AND THEN BACKING INTO THE 
01:52:17 SITE AS THEY CURRENTLY BACK THE TRUCKS 
01:52:18 INTO THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND 
01:52:20 YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE HATCH MARK AREA ON 
01:52:23 THIS PROPERTY IS WHERE THE TRUCK AS IT 
01:52:27 SWINGS AROUND WOULD GO ON TO THE 
01:52:28 PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET WHICH IS 
01:52:32 PRIVATE LOT THAT'S CURRENTLY LEASED BY 
01:52:34 THE CITY FOR PARKING AND IT WOULD GO ON 
01:52:37 TO THAT PROPERTY AND THAT YOU COULD GET 
01:52:39 A TRUCK THERE, AND WHEN I TALKED WITH 
01:52:43 MR. THOMASON ABOUT THIS IMPROVEMENT, HIS 
01:52:45 CONCERN WAS THAT WE SHOW ONE TRUCK IN 
01:52:48 THAT BACK BAY AREA AND HIS CONCERN WAS 
01:52:51 THEY OFTENTIMES HAVE TWO, THREE MAYBE 
01:52:54 ON A REALLY BUSY DAY, FOUR TRUCKS IN 
01:52:57 THAT AREA, HIS CONCERN WAS WE CAN GET 
01:52:58 THE ONE IN, AFTER THAT, WE COULDN'T GET 
01:53:02 THE OTHER TRUCKS IN WITH IT, SO BACK ON 
01:53:06 MARCH 7 OF THIS YEAR, THE COUNCIL TOOK 
01:53:08 THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND CHOSE TO GO 
01:53:10 WITH A LESS EFFICIENT PARKING GARAGE TO 
01:53:12 ELIMINATE THE CONCERNS, NOT ELIMINATE 
01:53:15 THE CONCERNS BUT TO LISTEN TO THE 
01:53:18 CONCERN OF THOMASON TIRE, SO THAT'S 
01:53:21 WHERE WE ARE, WE BELIEVE WE CAN MAKE 
01:53:23 SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO CHESTNUT HUNT TO 
01:53:26 MAKE THE TURNING MOVEMENTS EASIER, 
01:53:29 THOMASON FEELS THEY DON'T ADDRESS THE 
01:53:31 ISSUES COMPLETELY FOR THEIR BUSINESS. 
01:53:37 >> OKAY. 
01:53:40 SO, TO CLARIFY BECAUSE YOU KEEP SAYING 
01:53:43 THAT WE WOULD LOOK, WE WOULD LOOK INTO 
01:53:47 MAKING IMPROVEMENTS. 
01:53:48 >> ABSOLUTELY. 
01:53:49 >> CAN WE MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS AND 
01:53:50 DOES IT WORK? 
01:53:51 >> SO, WE CAN MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS 
01:53:53 HERE AT THE HUNT AND CHESTNUT 
01:53:57 INTERSECTION. 
01:53:58 WE WOULD BASICALLY CARVE AWAY THAT CURB 
01:54:02 AND MAKE IT A -- EITHER A ROLL OVER OR 
01:54:07 JUST A GREATER TURNING RADIUS THAT 
01:54:08 WOULD ALLOW THE TURNING MOVEMENTS IN 
01:54:11 THAT LOCATION. 
01:54:12 THERE MIGHT BE JUST LOOKING AT THE KIND 
01:54:15 OF SCHEMATIC DESIGN, THERE MIGHT BE A 
01:54:16 NEED TO GO ON TO THE THOMASON TIRE 
01:54:21 PROPERTY WITH THAT MOVEMENT TO MAKE 
01:54:23 ENOUGH SPACE. 
01:54:24 THE OTHER CONCERN WAS RIGHT ALONG THIS 
01:54:25 -- 
01:54:26 >> LET'S LOOK AT ONE AT A TIME, IS 
01:54:28 THERE ABILITY TO GO ON TO THAT THOMASON 
01:54:32 TIRE PROPERTY. 
01:54:33 >> IT IS PURCHASING PROPERTY FROM THEM. 
01:54:36 >> THERE'S NOT A STRUCTURE IN NOW? 
01:54:38 >> THERE IS A FIRE HYDRANT WE WOULD HAVE TO 
01:54:41 RELOCATE, THEIR BUILDING IS SET BACK 
01:54:42 FAR ENOUGH WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DAMAGE 
01:54:44 THEIR BUILDING WITH THAT. 
01:54:45 >> AND BACK TO THE FIRST EXAMPLE OR THE 
01:54:49 FIRST THING YOU LOOKED AT WHEN YOU COME 
01:54:51 IN AND TURN IN PRIOR TO WHERE HUNTER 
01:54:55 WOULD BE CLOSED, TELL ME HOW THAT'S 
01:54:57 PROBLEMATIC. 
01:54:58 >> SO, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THEIR 
01:54:59 PROPERTY. 
01:55:00 >> YOU HAD ORIGINALLY -- I WISH I COULD 
01:55:04 DRAW, SO, YEAH, YOU TALKED ABOUT 
01:55:06 BASICALLY THAT. 
01:55:08 . YES. 
01:55:09 >> TALK ABOUT THAT. 
01:55:10 >> SO, GOING BACK TO THAT PICTURE VERY 
01:55:14 QUICKLY, WHAT IT WOULD REQUIRE WOULD BE 
01:55:17 FOR THIS FENCING IN THIS AREA HERE TO 
01:55:20 COME DOWN TO OPEN UP THAT DRIVEWAY FOR 
01:55:24 THAT MOVEMENT. 
01:55:25 AFTER ALL THAT IS SAID, THEN WE WOULD 
01:55:26 HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TURNING INTO THAT 
01:55:28 BECAUSE THE WAY THEY OPERATE THEIR 
01:55:31 SITE, THE ALLEY THAT GOES BETWEEN THE 
01:55:34 FRONT BUILDING AND THE BACK BUILDING, 
01:55:36 AND YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE LOADING DOCKS 
01:55:38 ALONG THE BACK BUILDING, SO THEY ACCESS 
01:55:41 -- THIS IS REALLY COOL TOO, I WISH WE 
01:55:44 HAD IT IN CITY HALL, THE -- THERE WOULD 
01:55:49 BE A NEED TO RETAIN ACCESS THROUGH THAT 
01:55:52 AREA, THE FENCE COMING DOWN WOULD 
01:55:57 PROVIDE A COMPLETE MOVEMENT THROUGH 
01:55:59 HERE AND AROUND THE BUILDING IN THAT 
01:56:03 MANNER. 
01:56:04 THOMASON TIRE DID NOT WANT TO TAKE DOWN 
01:56:06 THE FENCING TO OPEN UP THAT DRIVE AND 
01:56:10 THEN AS MR. THOMASON MENTIONED TODAY IN 
01:56:12 HIS COMMENTS, THEY DO HAVE HEAD IN 
01:56:15 SPACES CURRENTLY IN THIS AREA RIGHT 
01:56:17 THROUGH HERE THAT WOULD BE LOST WITH 
01:56:19 THAT DRIVE GOING THROUGH THERE IN PLACE 
01:56:21 OF THE PARKING SPACES. 
01:56:24 >> THOSE HEAD-IN SPACES, REGULAR 
01:56:26 VEHICLE? 
01:56:27 >> YES, THOSE WOULD BE FOR EMPLOYEES OR 
01:56:29 CUSTOMERS, PERSONAL VEHICLE, NOT FOR 
01:56:31 LARGER TRUCKS. 
01:56:32 >> I BELIEVE THERE'S SOMETHING WE COULD 
01:56:33 DO FOR THEM IN THE PARKING GARAGE THAT 
01:56:35 WOULD PROVIDE THEM THE SPACE. 
01:56:36 >> WE DON'T HAVE ANY RESERVED PARKING 
01:56:38 SPACES IN THE PARKING GARAGE, THEY 
01:56:40 WOULD BE OPEN FOR ANYONE DOWNTOWN. 
01:56:42 >> WE DON'T YET. 
01:56:43 >> WE DON'T YET, SO CURRENTLY THEY'RE 
01:56:45 OPEN FOR ANYONE DOWNTOWN, WHETHER IT BE 
01:56:49 THEIR EMPLOYEES, THEIR CUSTOMERS. 
01:56:50 >> MY QUESTION THOUGH IS IF A 
01:56:53 SOLUTION THAT WE DECIDED ON A SOLUTION 
01:56:54 THAT WOULD COST THEM SOME PARKING ON 
01:56:56 THEIR PROPERTY WOULD WE HAVE THE 
01:56:57 ABILITY -- I GUESS WE DO HAVE THE 
01:57:00 ABILITY, WOULD IT BE SOMETHING PRUDENT 
01:57:02 FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER IN THE NEW 
01:57:04 PARKING GARAGE SPACES TO MITIGATE WHAT 
01:57:06 THEY'RE LOSING? 
01:57:08 >> WELL, THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE THE 
01:57:10 ABILITY TO DICTATE THAT WE RESERVE X 
01:57:12 NUMBER OF SPACES TO OFFSET THAT, YES. 
01:57:18 >> SO, THERE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY AN 
01:57:20 OPTION TO MITIGATE THOSE SPACES? 
01:57:21 >> YES, SIR. 
01:57:24 >> OKAY. 
01:57:25 >> IF YOU ELIMINATE SOME OF THE SPACES, 
01:57:27 IS THAT GOING TO CAUSE ANY KIND OF 
01:57:31 ORDINANCE CHALLENGES AS IT RELATES TO 
01:57:33 THE NUMBER OF SPACES THEY'RE REQUIRED 
01:57:35 TO HAVE? 
01:57:36 >> I WOULD SAY THEY'RE PROBABLY A LEGAL 
01:57:40 NONCONFORMING PIECE AS THEY ARE TODAY, 
01:57:42 BECAUSE THE PARKING SPACES AREN'T -- THEY 
01:57:47 MAY ALREADY BE SHORT ON SPACES. 
01:57:48 >> AND A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT WOULD 
01:57:50 BE ENTERED INTO WITH THE CITY AND THAT 
01:57:52 COULD MITIGATE THAT? 
01:57:53 >> CORRECT. 
01:57:54 >> SO, GO BACK TO WHERE YOU HAVE THAT 
01:57:56 LITTLE X THING, SO IF YOU WENT THROUGH 
01:58:04 HERE, I'LL USE MY FINGER HERE, WHAT 
01:58:10 ABOUT ELIMINATING THIS, THE BUILDING 
01:58:11 RIGHT THERE AND YOU CAN PARK ALL YOU 
01:58:13 WANT TO BACK THERE? 
01:58:16 >> I MEAN, THAT WAS AN OPTION, HOWEVER 
01:58:18 ON PRIVATE PROPERTY I WOULDN'T WANT TO 
01:58:20 DICTATE -- 
01:58:21 >> THEY COULD DO THAT. 
01:58:23 >> FROM A CITY STANDPOINT IT'S NOT 
01:58:25 SOMETHING -- YEAH. 
01:58:27 >> EXACTLY, NOTHING WOULD PREVENT THEM 
01:58:29 FROM MODIFYING THAT BUILDING ENOUGH TO 
01:58:32 WHERE THEY COULD GET THEIR TRUCKS ALL 
01:58:33 THE WAY THROUGH? 
01:58:35 >> THEY COULD, YES, SIR. 
01:58:38 >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT BUILDING IS? 
01:58:41 >> WHAT THAT BUILDING IS? 
01:58:43 >> YES. 
01:58:44 >> IT'S THIS PROPERTY RIGHT -- LET ME 
01:58:46 TRY TO THINK OF THE BEST PICTURE. 
01:58:49 YEAH, IT'S THAT RIGHT THERE, YES, SIR. 
01:58:52 SO, IT'S -- I THINK THEY HAVE BAYS 
01:58:54 WHERE THEY CAN DO SERVICE OR STORE 
01:58:58 TIRES. 
01:59:01 >> SO, NOT ABSENT CONSIDERING THE LOST 
01:59:05 PARKING SPACES ON THE [INAUDIBLE] 
01:59:06 PARKING THAT COULD BE MITIGATED, WHAT 
01:59:08 OTHER ISSUE IS THERE WITH THAT? 
01:59:09 >> THE OTHER ISSUE IS RIGHT HERE, SO 
01:59:11 THEY ARE CURRENTLY USING THAT AREA, 
01:59:14 IT'S TO BLOCK ACCESS, AND THAT'S WHAT 
01:59:19 THEY'RE BUSSING FOR STORAGE FOR TIRES, 
01:59:21 SO THEY WOULD LOSE STORAGE SPACE. 
01:59:24 AS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN. 
01:59:30 >> TURN IT BACK TO THE OTHER -- THE 
01:59:32 OTHER THING IS RIGHT THERE, THERE IS A 
01:59:39 -- AN ELECTRICITY POLE RIGHT IN ABOUT 
01:59:40 THE MIDDLE OF THAT, IF WE DON'T SHUT 
01:59:43 DOWN HERMAN, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE 
01:59:45 ELECTRICITY POLE RIGHT NEXT TO A 
01:59:47 PARKING GARAGE? 
01:59:51 >> SO, THERE'S A COUPLE OF POLES SO WE 
01:59:53 HAVE THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE MARKED HERE, 
02:00:00 THERE, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ON 
02:00:01 THE SOUTH SIDE OF HERMAN, THAT'S THE 
02:00:04 ONE WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE 
02:00:06 DEVELOPER OF THE GARAGE OF RELOCATING 
02:00:10 THE SOUTHERN POLE TO GO UNDERGROUND SO 
02:00:12 THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A POLE RIGHT OUTSIDE 
02:00:15 THE GARAGE EVEN WITH HERMAN OPEN, SO IF 
02:00:18 WE WERE TO CLOSE HERMAN, WE WOULD HAVE 
02:00:20 TO LOOK AT BOTH POLES BEING RELOCATED, 
02:00:24 WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH COMING UP 
02:00:25 WITH A PLAN TO WORK WITH UNDERGROUND 
02:00:29 CONDUIT TABLES. 
02:00:30 >> I DON'T REMEMBER MOVING THAT POLE 
02:00:32 WITH FIRST BID. 
02:00:34 >> THE NORTHERN POLE, NO, IT STAYED IN 
02:00:36 PLACE CURRENTLY. 
02:00:37 >> EVEN THE SOUTHERN POLE, IS THAT 
02:00:39 DESIGNED TO BE MOVED ALL ALONG? 
02:00:41 >> AS THEY WENT THROUGH THE DESIGN -- 
02:00:45 >> YOU HAVE A POLE THAT PEOPLE CAN 
02:00:47 REACH. 
02:00:48 >> IT WOULD BE RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE 
02:00:49 GARAGE, WE HAVE TO MOVE THE SOUTHERN 
02:00:51 POLE TODAY WITH OUR CURRENT DESIGN. 
02:00:53 IF WE WERE TO EXPAND THE DESIGN AND 
02:00:56 CLOSE HERMAN, WE WOULD BE RELOCATING 
02:00:58 BOTH POLES. 
02:00:59 >> THOSE TWO POLES COME TO ONE ANOTHER 
02:01:05 IN THE POWER THEY ARE CARRYING FOR LACK 
02:01:08 OF BETTER TERMS, IT IS -- 
02:01:11 >> WE CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THAT. 
02:01:13 >> THE QUESTION I'M ASKING, IS THAT 
02:01:16 POLE, IS IT SECOND IN SEQUENCE TO THE 
02:01:18 POLE ON THE NORTH SIDE? 
02:01:20 >> THE ONE THAT WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON, 
02:01:24 WE CAN LITERALLY BUILD THE STRUCTURE, 
02:01:26 NOT HAVE TO MOVE BUT I WOULDN'T DO IT, 
02:01:29 ANYONE CAN REACH OVER. 
02:01:31 THAT ONE PROVIDES POWER TO THE TWO 
02:01:33 BUILDINGS IN QUESTION AND TO SOMEWHERE 
02:01:35 ELSE HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN. 
02:01:38 THE NORTHERN ONE PROVIDES POWER TO A 
02:01:41 COUPLE OF OTHER LOCATIONS, THE SOLUTION 
02:01:43 THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED WOULD BE 
02:01:46 BASICALLY TO CO-LOCATE THE 
02:01:48 TRANSFORMERS AND MOVE ALL THAT TO MORE 
02:01:50 EFFICIENT SPACE A LITTLE TO THE WEST 
02:01:52 AND LIFE IS HAPPY. 
02:01:53 THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE 
02:01:57 [INAUDIBLE] THAT SHOULD NOT BE THE 
02:02:01 HURDLE. 
02:02:02 >> AND ANOTHER QUESTION. 
02:02:03 ALL THESE ALLEYWAYS ARE ONE WAY EXCEPT 
02:02:13 THIS PORTION OF HERMAN. 
02:02:14 I MEAN, BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET PAST THAT, 
02:02:17 IT'S ONE WAY -- 
02:02:19 >> THERE MAY BE OTHERS BUT THE MAJORITY 
02:02:21 OF THEM ARE ONE WAY. 
02:02:22 >> WHY ARE THEY ONE WAY? 
02:02:24 >> THEY'RE VERY NARROW. 
02:02:27 >> WELL, WE GOT -- HAVE WE NOT DONE ONE 
02:02:31 WAY ON HERMAN TO ACCOMMODATE THEM, IS 
02:02:33 THAT WHY THAT'S NOT A ONE WAY? 
02:02:35 >> I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER 
02:02:38 TO THAT QUESTION WHY IN THE PAST WE 
02:02:39 HAVEN'T, I KNOW WHEN YOU GET WEST OF 
02:02:41 CHESTNUT, IT IS ONE WAY, COMING 
02:02:45 TO THE EAST, I CAN ONLY 
02:02:47 SPECULATE. 
02:02:48 >> THIS IS ONE THING, IF YOU'RE COMING 
02:02:51 DOWN HIGHWAY 5 IN ONE OF THE BIG GIANT 
02:02:54 60 FOOT TRUCKS OR WHATEVER, YOU CANNOT 
02:02:58 TURN IF YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT LANE, YOU 
02:03:01 CAN'T TURN IF YOU'RE IN THE SECOND TO 
02:03:03 THE RIGHT LANE, YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE 
02:03:06 OUTSIDE LANE HERE, CUT ACROSS TRAFFIC 
02:03:10 AND BLOCK TRAFFIC COMING THIS WAY, 
02:03:13 THAT'S COMING THIS WAY TO GET EVEN 
02:03:16 THOSE BIG RIGS IN. 
02:03:17 I TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO CHIEF 
02:03:23 CONNOLLY, THAT'S AN ILLEGAL MOVE, YET 
02:03:25 THE CITY OF MCKINNEY THINKS WE NEED TO 
02:03:30 ACCOMMODATE ILLEGAL MOVES LIKE THIS, 
02:03:32 THE CITY OF MCKINNEY THINKS WE NEED TO 
02:03:34 MAKE IT EASIER FOR TRUCKS TO COME 
02:03:37 DOWNTOWN. 
02:03:38 IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE IN MY OPINION, 
02:03:41 IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A 
02:03:43 DOWNTOWN WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD 
02:03:46 NICE PARKING GARAGE AND THEY HAVE 
02:03:48 STANDARDS FOR THESE PARKING GARAGES, 
02:03:49 THEY WANT THIS NICE FACILITY WHERE 
02:03:52 RIGHT NEXT DOOR IS A [INAUDIBLE] 
02:03:55 BUILDING, THE LAST TIME WE VOTED ON 
02:03:56 THIS, NOT TO CLOSE THIS STREET AND TO 
02:03:59 MAKE THIS LITTLE TINY PARKING GARAGE, I 
02:04:04 DON'T THINK I'VE EVER BEEN AS MAD ON 
02:04:06 THE DAIS AS WHEN THAT HAPPENED JUST 
02:04:09 BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE CITY COUNCIL 
02:04:10 REALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME DID NOT DO 
02:04:13 WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY. 
02:04:16 THEY DID WHAT'S BEST FOR THAT BUSINESS 
02:04:18 WITHOUT A DOUBT BUT NOT WHAT'S BEST FOR 
02:04:21 THE CITY OF MCKINNEY BECAUSE WHAT'S 
02:04:23 BEST FOR THE CITY OF MCKINNEY AND ALL 
02:04:27 170 THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT OWN THAT ROAD 
02:04:30 IS TO TAKE IT AND PUT A PARKING GARAGE 
02:04:34 ON IT. 
02:04:36 THAT'S WHAT I THINK, IF WE CONTINUE TO 
02:04:41 WORRY ABOUT ONE BUSINESS AND IT'S -- IF 
02:04:46 WE DID THAT EVERYWHERE WE WENT, WE 
02:04:48 WOULD NEVER GET ANYTHING DONE IN THE 
02:04:49 CITY. 
02:04:50 WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE 
02:04:53 CITY OF MCKINNEY AND WHAT'S BEST FOR 
02:04:55 THE CITY OF MCKINNEY IS TO REMOVE THAT 
02:04:57 ALLEYWAY AND TO PUT A NICE BIG PARKING 
02:05:00 GARAGE. 
02:05:01 WE WERE GOING TO SPEND 13 THOUSAND 
02:05:04 DOLLARS ON THE LAST PARKING GARAGE AND 
02:05:05 HERE WE'RE GOING TO DO ONE FOR A LITTLE 
02:05:09 OVER 8 MILLION DOLLARS AND I DO NOT 
02:05:12 UNDERSTAND NOT MAKING THE RIGHT 
02:05:14 DECISION FOR THE CITIZENS OF MCKINNEY. 
02:05:17 >> I WOULD HAVE TO COMMENT THAT THERE 
02:05:19 HAS TO BE AN ISSUE OF LOYALTY TO THE 
02:05:23 BUSINESSES THAT HAVE HELPED ESTABLISH 
02:05:25 MCKINNEY AND IF ANYBODY CAN POINT ME 
02:05:27 TO ANOTHER BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN HERE 
02:05:29 SINCE 1954, THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN 
02:05:33 HERE IN MCKINNEY SINCE 1954, PLEASE 
02:05:35 STAND UP BECAUSE THE ONLY THING THAT'S 
02:05:37 BEEN HERE SINCE 1954 IS BECKER'S 
02:05:41 BURGERS AND THOMASON TIRE, IF I SHUT 
02:05:44 DOWN THE STREET NEXT TO BAKER'S 
02:05:46 BURGERS, WE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM ON OUR 
02:05:49 HANDS BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN THE CITY 
02:05:51 GOES THERE, SO WHERE DOES LOYALTY COME 
02:05:54 INTO OUR RESPECT, INTEGRITY, SERVICE AND 
02:05:56 EXCELLENCE FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS HELPED 
02:05:57 BUILD THE CITY OF MCKINNEY AND HAS BEEN 
02:06:00 HERE FOR MORE THAN HALF A CENTURY? 
02:06:04 >> I'M NOT SUGGESTING I'M SHUTTING THEM 
02:06:08 DOWN, I'M SUGGESTING IT MIGHT AFFECT 
02:06:10 THEIR BUSINESS SOMEWHAT BUT THEY'LL 
02:06:12 MANAGE, BUSINESSES DO. 
02:06:14 >> I WOULD JUST COMMENT THAT -- AND I 
02:06:18 UNDERSTAND THAT SENTIMENT, COUNCILMAN 
02:06:20 PHILIPS, TO AN EXTENT, BUT AT THE END 
02:06:23 OF THE DAY, I THINK REGARDLESS OF HOW 
02:06:26 LONG SOMEONE'S BEEN IN BUSINESS, WE 
02:06:28 HAVE ROUGHLY 120 BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN 
02:06:30 AND WE NEED TO THINK OF ALL OF THOSE 
02:06:32 BUSINESSES AND CERTAINLY THAT'S WHY I'M 
02:06:34 SUGGESTING IF THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE, 
02:06:37 IT MAY NOT BE NECESSARILY THE PREFERRED 
02:06:40 ONE, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S A CREATURE OF 
02:06:43 HABIT, IF THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT THIS 
02:06:48 WAY FOR 50 ODD YEAR, I IMAGINE IF WE 
02:06:50 WANT TO START GETTING INTO IMPROVEMENTS 
02:06:54 OF HIGHWAY 5, THERE MY BE AN INSTANCE 
02:06:57 THAT'S GOING TO RUB THEM THE WRONG WAY, 
02:06:59 WOULD THAT BE A DECISION TO NOT MOVE 
02:07:02 FORWARD AND HAVE PROGRESS FOR THAT 
02:07:03 REASON? 
02:07:04 I WOULD SAY NEW YORK CITY BUT WHAT IS 
02:07:07 INCUMBENT UPON US TO DO IS LOOK AT 
02:07:10 THINS REASONABLY, FAIRLY, HOLISTICALLY 
02:07:12 FOR THE CITY AS MAYOR PRO TEM HAS SAID 
02:07:15 AND ALSO THE 120 BUSINESSES THAT ARE 
02:07:19 DOWNTOWN, AND AGAIN, CERTAINLY NOT DO 
02:07:20 SOMETHING THAT SHUTS THEM DOWN BUT 
02:07:25 SOMETIMES SOME CONCESSIONS, AND AGAIN, 
02:07:26 IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING FENCING 
02:07:28 AND THE WAY I SEE THE ISSUE IS WE'RE 
02:07:31 LOSING HEAD IN PARKING AND SOME 
02:07:34 STORAGE, LET'S TAKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY 
02:07:35 ON AS A CITY, LET'S IDENTIFY HOW WE CAN 
02:07:38 MITIGATE THOSE THINGS FOR THEM AND TAKE 
02:07:44 CARE OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ELECTED 
02:07:46 US AND THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN, BUT 
02:07:49 CERTAINLY WHAT WE DO NEED TO TAKE THAT 
02:07:52 RESPONSIBILITY SERIOUSLY AND MITIGATE 
02:07:54 THOSE CONCERNS, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE 
02:07:56 EFFORT BEING TAKEN RIGHT NOW WOULD BE 
02:07:57 MY TAKE ON IT. 
02:08:00 ANYONE ELSE HAVE -- 
02:08:01 >> YEAH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE COMMENT. 
02:08:03 I DIDN'T TURN IT DOWN LAST TIME BECAUSE 
02:08:08 OF HERMAN STREET OR BECAUSE OF THE 
02:08:10 BUSINESS, I REALLY TURNED IT DOWN 
02:08:11 BECAUSE OF LOCATION. 
02:08:13 THERE WERE MUCH BETTER LOCATIONS AND I 
02:08:15 THINK IF WE HAD TAKEN SOME TIME TO DO 
02:08:18 OUR RESEARCH SUCH AS THE WATER TOWER 
02:08:21 AND MUNICIPAL, WE COULD HAVE BEEN CLOSE 
02:08:24 TO STARTING THOSE AT A MUCH LOWER COST 
02:08:27 AND GOT AMPLE SPACE FOR THE CITIZENS. 
02:08:31 >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT AND 
02:08:34 THIS IS COMPLETELY OUT OF THE BOX 
02:08:36 COMPARED TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING. 
02:08:42 IT IS TWO QUESTIONS, SO IF WE RELOCATED 
02:08:47 MR. THOMASON AND HIS BUSINESS, IS THAT 
02:08:50 SOMETHING DOABLE WITHIN CITY GOVERNMENT 
02:08:52 OR WITHIN CITY STATUTES, NUMBER ONE, TO 
02:08:56 MAKE HIM WHOLE, AND I MEAN, I HAVE AN 
02:08:59 ANSWER TONIGHT AS BARRY LOOKS OVER TO 
02:09:01 MR. HOUSER AND HE'S CRINGING, AND THEN 
02:09:03 SECOND IF WE DID THAT AND THEN WE HAD 
02:09:05 THAT ENTIRE BLOCK TO WORK WITH, HOW 
02:09:08 MANY SPACES COULD WE CREATE IN THE 
02:09:11 GARAGE, I DON'T NEED NECESSARILY 
02:09:12 ANSWERS TONIGHT BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY 
02:09:14 LIKE TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS TO SEE 
02:09:18 IF THAT IS, A, POSSIBLE, AND B, WHAT 
02:09:19 THE RESULT WOULD BE IF WE BUILT A VERY, 
02:09:22 VERY LARGE PARKING GARAGE. 
02:09:30 >> YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, I DON'T 
02:09:31 HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU ON THE FLY. 
02:09:33 >> I WOULD BE AMAZED IF YOU DID. 
02:09:36 THANK YOU. 
02:09:37 >> SIR, WHAT IS THE COST OF REDOING THE 
02:09:43 STREETS TO MAKE IT -- 
02:09:45 >> SO, WITH THE MOVEMENT, THE TURNING 
02:09:47 MOVEMENTS WE SHOWED ON AN EARLIER PAGE 
02:09:51 HERE, WE -- SO, THE COMBINATION OF SOME 
02:09:56 IMPROVEMENTS HERE FOR THE SWING AS WELL 
02:10:00 AS THE IMPROVEMENTS UP HERE, THE 
02:10:02 INTERSECTION TO ALLOW FOR THE MOVEMENT, 
02:10:04 WE DIDN'T GO INTO A FULL DESIGN, I 
02:10:07 ASKED FOR ENGINEERING TO GIVE ME A 
02:10:10 PROBABLE RANGE OF COST, SOMEWHERE MAYBE 
02:10:13 200 THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
02:10:16 DEPENDING ON THE EXTENT OF IMPROVEMENTS 
02:10:18 WE NEED, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, 
02:10:22 THERE IS A FIRE HYDRANT WHICH ISN'T 
02:10:25 THAT EXPENSIVE TO RELOCATE, IT WOULD BE 
02:10:27 PAVEMENT AND IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT 
02:10:28 WE WOULD FLEXED TO DO ON THAT WEST SIDE 
02:10:31 OF THE STREET, THAT'S AN UNKNOWN RIGHT 
02:10:33 NOW, WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE COSTS AND 
02:10:35 COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION TO THE 
02:10:36 COUNCIL, I DON'T WANT TO THROW A NUMBER 
02:10:38 OUT THERE AND SAY THIS IS IT, THAT'S A 
02:10:43 ROUGH ESTIMATE. 
02:10:44 >> FOR A GUY WHO PUTS IN STREETS, 
02:10:45 THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR ROUNDING THE 
02:10:49 CURB. 
02:10:50 THOUGH I WOULD LOVE TO SEE -- 
02:10:53 >> WE'LL SHARPEN OUR PENCIL AND GET 
02:10:55 SOME COSTS. 
02:10:56 >> ARE ANY OF THESE IN THE CIP -- OR 
02:11:00 ANY OF THESE HANGS TO ANY OF THE 
02:11:02 STREETS COMING IN THE FUTURE ANYWHERE? 
02:11:04 >> NOT ON OUR CURRENT STAFFING, NO, SIR. 
02:11:07 >> SO, ONE MORE COMMENT. 
02:11:09 WE'RE NOT VOTING ON WHETHER OR NOT 
02:11:10 WE'RE BUILDING A PARKING LOT. 
02:11:12 THE PARKING LOT'S GOING TO GET BUILT. 
02:11:15 IF WE WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE TO INCLUDE 
02:11:19 HERMAN STREET, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD 
02:11:23 VOTE ON, SO -- 
02:11:24 >> TO BE CLEAR, TONIGHT IS NOT AN 
02:11:27 ACTION ITEM, IT'S JUST TO BRING BACK -- 
02:11:31 >> FANTASTIC. 
02:11:32 >> BUT TO THE POINT IS WE'RE SPENDING 
02:11:33 THE MONEY, WE HAVE THE AGREEMENT, HE'S 
02:11:37 READY TO START POURING CONCRETE AND 
02:11:39 DIGGING HOLES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, SO 
02:11:42 FOR CHUCK, YOU'RE -- WE'RE GOING TO 
02:11:45 SPEND IT, SO THE QUESTION IS DO WE WANT 
02:11:49 TO INCREASE IT, SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE 
02:11:51 TO GET A LOT MORE OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE 
02:11:56 THIS LITTLE TEENY PARKING GARAGE, SO 
02:11:58 THAT'S THE QUESTION, IT'S NOT A MATTER 
02:12:00 OF WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO DO A 
02:12:05 PARKING GARAGE, IT IS -- 
02:12:08 >> IS IT THE MONEY WE'RE SPENDING OR 
02:12:10 NOT, IT WILL COME DOWN TO -- BUT I'M 
02:12:13 SAYING IT WILL COME DOWN TO HOW EACH OF 
02:12:16 US DO THAT. 
02:12:19 >> AND WE'RE LOSING MONEY EACH DAY THAT 
02:12:21 WE WAIT AND POTENTIALLY LOSING OUR 
02:12:24 CONSTRUCTION CREWS TO TROPICAL STORMS 
02:12:28 AND HURRICANES THAT ARE CONTINUING. 
02:12:30 >> I HAD HOPED TO BRING THIS AS AN 
02:12:32 ACTION ITEM TONIGHT. 
02:12:33 >> SO, TO BE CLEAR, WE HAVE A LEASE 
02:12:35 AGREEMENT APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
02:12:38 IF THE COST OF INCREASE IS NOT GOING TO 
02:12:40 BE AN INCREASE TO THE CITY'S COST, IN 
02:12:42 TRYING TO MOVE THIS ALONG QUICKLY IS 
02:12:47 BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER WHO IS BUILDING 
02:12:49 THE GARAGE TO THE CITY THAT WE'RE 
02:12:51 LEASING BACK TO OWN, THEIR COST WILL 
02:12:52 INCREASE, AS THE DEAL WAS MADE AT 7.6 
02:12:57 MILLION DOLLARS, THEY'RE TRYING HARD 
02:12:58 AND DOING A GREAT JOB OF TRYING TO 
02:13:01 SQUEEZE EVERYTHING INTO THAT BOX 
02:13:03 CURRENTLY, BUT OUR COSTS WOULD NOT GO 
02:13:06 UP. 
02:13:07 >> WHAT I WOULD ASK YOU TO DO IN 
02:13:08 PREPARATION OF IT AS IT BECOMES AS A NEXT 
02:13:10 ITEM, I WANT TO SAY FANTASTIC POINT, 
02:13:13 MAYOR PRO TEM, THAT WE ARE -- WE'RE 
02:13:16 VOTING ON HOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND 
02:13:18 THE DOLLARS, ARE WE GOING TO BE GOOD 
02:13:21 STEWARDS AND NOT GOOD STEWARDS AND HOW 
02:13:23 WE INTERPRET THAT AND IN RELATION TO 
02:13:27 THOMASON TIRE, I WOULD WANT SOMEBODY TO 
02:13:31 MITIGATE THEIR PARKING THAT WE'RE 
02:13:33 TALKING ABOUT, AND I THINK THAT'S 
02:13:35 USUALLY DOABLE WITH SPACES RIGHT ACROSS 
02:13:38 THE STREET, I MEAN, IT'S 50 FEET AWAY 
02:13:41 OR 20 FEET AWAY, BUT ALSO THEY HAVE AN 
02:13:44 AREA THEY'RE USING FOR STORAGE. 
02:13:46 I WOULD LIKE TO -- IF CITY STAFF COULD 
02:13:50 WORK WITH THEM AND IDENTIFY WHAT THAT 
02:13:51 MITIGATION IS, IF WE ARE TO LET US HAVE 
02:13:54 THAT NUMBER TO CONSIDER HELPING THEM 
02:13:56 RELOCATE THAT STORAGE, THERE IS OTHER 
02:13:58 -- APPEARS TO BE, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK 
02:13:59 FOR THEM AND THEIR BUSINESS, OTHER 
02:14:01 AREAS IN THE PROPERTY THAT THEY COULD 
02:14:03 DO THAT, WHETHER COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE 
02:14:05 THAT OR NOT IS UNKNOWN, BUT HAVING A 
02:14:07 NUMBER MAKES IT EASIER TO -- 
02:14:11 >> WE'LL ASK THE QUESTION WITH THE 
02:14:13 [INAUDIBLE] ACRE, HOW MANY PARKING 
02:14:16 SPACES? 
02:14:17 >> THE CURRENT SITE AS IS LOCATED, HOW 
02:14:21 MANY PARKING SPACES DO YOU HAVE 
02:14:24 CURRENTLY? 
02:14:27 >> [INAUDIBLE]. 
02:14:28 >> I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
02:14:30 >> HOW MANY PARKING SPACES? 
02:14:31 >> DO YOU KNOW YOUR MATH OR MINE. 
02:14:34 >> HOW MANY PARKS SPACES ARE WE DONE, 
02:14:37 HOW MANY DID WE LOSE BECAUSE OF THAT. 
02:14:39 >> WE LOST APPROXIMATELY 500 PARKS 
02:14:41 SPACES. 
02:14:42 >> WE'RE TALK ABOUT A GARAGE. 
02:14:44 >> THE GARAGE -- 
02:14:46 >> 415 OR -- 
02:14:47 >> SO, THIS GARAGE IS 315 CURRENTLY 
02:14:50 TODAY AS DESIGNED. 
02:14:51 THE 9 ACRE SITE, WE ARE GOING TO BE 
02:14:54 ADDING BACK 200 PUBLIC GARAGE PARKING 
02:14:56 SPACES IN ADDITION TO THE SPACES THAT 
02:15:00 ARE RESERVED FOR THE MULTIFAMILY 
02:15:02 DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE ALSO DOING 119 
02:15:04 ON-STREET PARKING SPACES AND 125 SPACES 
02:15:06 THAT ARE IN THE LOT THAT'S ADJACENT TO 
02:15:09 THE PLAYFUL BUILDING THAT ARE RESERVED 
02:15:11 DURING THE DAY BUT OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC 
02:15:13 AT NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS. 
02:15:15 >> BUT IF YOU WERE TO CONTINUE THAT ANSWER 
02:15:17 AND MARK, I'M NOT BEING DISRESPECTFUL 
02:15:19 TO YOU AT ALL AND YOU ALSO UNDERSTAND 
02:15:22 THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE BASED ON SOME 
02:15:24 UNIQUE ZONING FOR THIS AREA AND FOR 
02:15:27 UNDERSTANDABLE REASONS BUT IT IS IN THE 
02:15:29 CONSTRUCTION AND ON PAPER, THAT'S A 
02:15:31 VERY ACCURATE ANSWER. 
02:15:33 I BELIEVE IN REALITY BECAUSE THE NUMBER 
02:15:34 OF PEOPLE THAT WILL HAVE CARS IN 
02:15:37 APARTMENTS ARE NOT ONE PER UNIT ROUGHLY 
02:15:40 AND PEOPLE WILL NOT DRIVE TO SLOP AND 
02:15:42 NOT DRIVE TO THEIR OFFICE SPACE WHICH 
02:15:45 IS NOT REQUIRED, SO IF WE TALK REALITY, 
02:15:47 WE'RE PROBABLY DOWN AFTER ALL CHECKS 
02:15:49 AND BALANCES, WE'LL BE DOWN SOMEWHERE 
02:15:55 800 SPACES FROM TODAY, ON PAPER, WE'RE 
02:15:58 MUTUAL. 
02:15:59 >> WE'RE DOWN 700 SPACES AND WE'RE 
02:16:01 BUILDING A GARAGE TO TRY TO COME UP 
02:16:03 WITH A NUMBER THAT HELPS US WITH 
02:16:05 SPACES, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT, SO WE 
02:16:09 WANT TO FIX THE PARKING ISSUE IN 
02:16:12 DOWNTOWN MCKINNEY SO WE NEED TO 
02:16:15 MAXIMIZE SPACES FOR ALL BUSINESSES 
02:16:17 ACROSS THE CITY, SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR 
02:16:22 OF MAXIMIZING DOLLARS IF ALL CITIZENS 
02:16:25 OF MCKINNEY, ALL BUSINESSES IN MCKINNEY 
02:16:28 AND HAVE THE BIGGEST PARKING GARAGE. 
02:16:29 >> IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIXING THE 
02:16:31 PARKING PROBLEM, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER 
02:16:34 DISCUSSION AND THERE WILL BE DIFFERENT 
02:16:36 VIEWPOINTS ON THAT FOR DOWNTOWN, BUT 
02:16:38 THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP, THERE'S 
02:16:41 MORE STEPS WHICH AGAIN GOES BACK TO 
02:16:43 THOSE FUND BALANCES AND SOME OF THE 
02:16:45 IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED. 
02:16:46 THIS WOULD BE A FIRST STEP, THAT'S WHY I 
02:16:48 WANTED TO OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION, 
02:16:50 AGAIN, TOTAL RESPECT FOR THOMASON TIRE 
02:16:53 AND WE HOPE WE CAN MITIGATE THE BEST 
02:16:56 THAT WE CAN IF WE DECIDE TO DO THIS, 
02:17:01 MITIGATE ANY ISSUES ON THAT, BUT AT THE 
02:17:02 SAME TIME, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS FOR 
02:17:06 ALL 120 BUSINESSES, 175 THOUSAND 
02:17:08 RESIDENTS, SO IT'S NOT AN ACTION ITEM, 
02:17:09 IT'S A DISCUSSION, IF THERE'S NOT 
02:17:12 ANYMORE DISCUSSION, BASED ON WHAT WAS 
02:17:15 HEARD TODAY, MR. HOLLOWAY, IF YOU WOULD 
02:17:17 VERIFY, I THINK I ALREADY KNOW THE 
02:17:20 ANSWER AND WE CAN HAVE A SHARED PARKING 
02:17:23 AGREEMENT BETWEEN THOMASON TIRE AND THE 
02:17:26 CITY, WE CAN RESERVE PARKING SPACES, 
02:17:28 THAT'S AN EASY ONE TO MITIGATE, THE 
02:17:30 OTHER ONE WOULD BE STORAGE, LET'S TAKE 
02:17:32 A LOOK AT THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH 
02:17:34 THEM, CAN WE HELP MITIGATE THAT, WHAT 
02:17:37 WOULD WE BE WILLING TO DO AND THAT WILL 
02:17:38 BE A DECISION FOR ALL OF COUNCIL. 
02:17:41 >> SO, UNTIL WE MAKE A DECISION, WE'RE 
02:17:45 NOT STARTING OUR PROCESS TO BUILD. 
02:17:48 HOW SOON? 
02:17:49 >> THIS WILL BE ON THE 
02:17:50 VERY NEXT COUNCIL SESSION. 
02:17:54 OKAY. 
02:17:55 ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? 
02:17:56 ALRIGHT. 
02:17:58 THANK YOU. 
02:17:59 >> I WOULD LIKE TO BE CLEAR, MR. MAYOR, 
02:18:01 DID YOU SAY WE'RE DOWN 700 PARKING 
02:18:04 SPACES? 
02:18:05 >> AT LEAST. 
02:18:06 >> AT LEAST? 
02:18:07 AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE GAVE AWAY 500 OF 
02:18:10 THEM TO A PRIVATE BUSINESS ENTITY, AM I 
02:18:12 CORRECT ON THAT? 
02:18:13 >> YES, SIR. 
02:18:14 >> OKAY, SO WE GAVE AWAY 500 SPACES TO 
02:18:18 ONE BUSINESS AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO 
02:18:24 MAKE THOMASON TIRE PAY FOR IT, DO YOU 
02:18:26 FOLLOW MY POINT? 
02:18:27 >> I FOLLOW YOUR 
02:18:28 POINT, I WOULD DISAGREE WE GAVE AWAY 
02:18:32 500 SPACES, I DISAGREE WITH THAT. 
02:18:34 >> BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND 
02:18:37 PEOPLE ARE HERE, THE SHORT OF IT IS 
02:18:39 THIS, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT PARKING 
02:18:42 REQUIREMENT FOR DOWNTOWN AND IN THAT 
02:18:43 AREA, THERE IS A SPECIFIC ZONE THAT EMBODIES 
02:18:46 OUR DOWNTOWN, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE -- 
02:18:48 IT'S AN URBAN DISTRICT AND WE HAVE 
02:18:50 PARKING REQUIREMENTS AS SUCH BECAUSE -- 
02:18:52 THAT THE THOUGHT WAS WE HAVE A BUSINESS 
02:18:54 OPENING ON THE SQUARE, THERE'S NOWHERE 
02:18:56 TO BUILD A PARKING LOT SO THERE IS 
02:18:58 CONCESSIONS THAT WERE MADE. 
02:18:59 THIS IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT AND IN THAT 
02:19:01 NEW DEVELOPMENT, THEY APPLIED THE SAME 
02:19:04 PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR LACK THEREOF 
02:19:05 WHICH I DO HAVE ISSUE WITH BUT I CAN'T 
02:19:08 SECOND GUESS DECISIONS MADE IN THE 
02:19:10 PAST, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN OTHER 
02:19:13 EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT AT THE 
02:19:14 END OF THE DAY, WE WILL HAVE THE NUMBER 
02:19:16 OF PEOPLE WITH CARS THAT WE WILL HAVE 
02:19:19 CARS, PLAIN AND SIMPLE, SO TO SAY THAT 
02:19:21 WE DON'T REQUIRE IT FOR RETAIL ON PAPER 
02:19:23 IS NOT THE SAME AS WHAT WILL HAPPEN, 
02:19:26 AND TO SAY THEY DON'T NEED PARKING FOR 
02:19:28 OFFICE DOESN'T MEAN THAT PEOPLE WON'T 
02:19:30 DRIVE TO THE OFFICE, THEY DON'T FLY AND 
02:19:33 WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION 
02:19:35 RIGHT NOW AND THERE ARE NO STABLES AND 
02:19:38 HORSES BUT WE WILL HAVE PARKING, THERE 
02:19:39 WILL BE A LACK OF PARKING AND AS FAR AS 
02:19:42 A SINGLE BUSINESS, CERTAINLY A 
02:19:43 DEVELOPER, BUT IT WILL BE MANY 
02:19:45 DIFFERENT BUSINESSES THAT MOVE IN THERE 
02:19:47 WITH RETAIL, OFFICE, RESTAURANTS AND 
02:19:48 ALL OF THOSE WILL BE BENEFITING FROM 
02:19:50 THAT PARKING BUT YEAH, AT THE END OF 
02:19:53 THE DAY, WE ARE GOING TO BE SHORT 
02:19:57 PARKING SPACES. 
02:20:04 >> IT MAY REQUIRE SOMEONE TO HAVE THREE 
02:20:06 OR FOUR PARKING SPACES, WE DON'T 
02:20:08 REQUIRE HAVING THEM? 
02:20:10 >> IN DOWNTOWN, THERE'S A LINE DRAWN 
02:20:13 AND MR. QUINN COULD TELL US THAT, I 
02:20:16 DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW, BUT IT WAS 
02:20:19 DESIGNED, THE PARKING GUIDELINES AND 
02:20:25 AGAIN [INAUDIBLE] BUSINESSES OPENING 
02:20:26 DOWN ON THE SQUARE, SO IF YOU HAD A 
02:20:28 DRESS SHOP TURN INTO A RESTAURANT, 
02:20:30 WHERE WOULD THEY BUILD A PARKING LOT? 
02:20:33 YOU'RE LANDLOCKED SO THERE WAS A 
02:20:35 CONCESSION MADE AND WE CALL IT AN URBAN 
02:20:37 DISTRICT AND IT MAKES SENSE, BUT IN 
02:20:40 THIS SITUATION, IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION 
02:20:43 AND IT WAS THE SAME PARKING OR CLOSE TO. 
02:20:47 >> SO, IN TRYING TO DEVELOP AN URBAN 
02:20:50 DISTRICT, IF WE WERE TO REQUIRE NEW 
02:20:53 DEVELOPMENT WITHIN OUR CORE PER OUR 
02:20:56 PLAN, IF WE SAID EVERYONE WHO BUILDS 
02:20:58 SOMETHING NEW, YOU HAD TO BUILD YOUR 
02:20:59 PARKING LOT, THERE'S NO URBAN DISTRICT 
02:21:02 BECAUSE YOU'RE NOW GOING TO BUILD 
02:21:04 STRIPS WITH PARKING IN FRONT, SO THE 
02:21:06 IDEA WAS TO URBANIZE DOWNTOWN WHICH IT 
02:21:09 ALREADY IS URBAN, BUT TO KEEP THAT 
02:21:10 DOWNTOWN FEEL. 
02:21:11 IN DOING SO, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DID IS 
02:21:14 THE CITY TOOK RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE 
02:21:16 LION SHARE OF PARKING DOWNTOWN, EITHER 
02:21:19 THROUGH PUBLIC LOTS OR PUBLIC GARAGES 
02:21:21 AS WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT IN ORDER TO 
02:21:24 KEEP THAT DOWNTOWN FEEL. 
02:21:26 >> I APPRECIATE THAT. 
02:21:32 HOW MANY APARTMENTS ARE GOING THERE. 
02:21:34 >> I BELIEVE IT'S 320. 
02:21:39 >> THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT, 320 
02:21:44 APARTMENTS. 
02:21:46 >> THEY ARE PARKING THOSE APARTMENTS AT 
02:21:49 ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY BEDROOM, 
02:21:51 NOT EVERY UNIT, SO THERE'S 320 UNITS, 
02:21:55 SOME ARE THREE BEDROOMS, SOME ARE TWO 
02:21:57 BEDROOM, SOME ARE ONE, I WAS LOOKING TO 
02:21:59 SEE IF I HAD THE SITE PLAN TO TELL YOU 
02:22:01 THE EXACT NUMBER OF SPACES BUT IT'S 
02:22:03 STILL THAT URBAN FEEL AND THERE'S NO 
02:22:05 REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO CREATE 
02:22:07 ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR THE RETAIL AND 
02:22:09 OFFICE IN THE MIXED USE PORTION. 
02:22:11 >> [INAUDIBLE]. 
02:22:13 >> CORRECT. 
02:22:15 >> ONE SPACE PER UNIT OR ONE AND A HALF 
02:22:19 BEDROOMS, ADDITIONAL FOR EACH. 
02:22:20 >> I WILL DEFER TO PLANNERS WHO KNOWS 
02:22:26 THIS BETTER THAN I DO. 
02:22:31 >> [INAUDIBLE]. 
02:22:32 >> EVEN WITH THE GARAGE. 
02:22:33 >> THIS IS THE FIRST STEP. 
02:22:35 >> IT IS A FIRST STEP, WE NEED TO 
02:22:38 MAXIMIZE OUR STEPS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. 
02:22:40 >> THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE AND THAT'S WHY 
02:22:42 I ASKED THIS TO BE PUT BACK ON. 
02:22:44 DEFINITELY UNDERSTANDING THE CONCERNS 
02:22:47 OF THOMASON AND MITIGATING THOSE AGAIN. 
02:22:50 >> WE WILL INCLUDE THOMASON IN ALL 
02:22:54 CONVERSATIONS SO IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE 
02:22:56 IMPROVEMENTS, THAT WE KNOW WHAT THEY 
02:22:58 ARE AND HAVE THEM PUT ON THOSE AS WELL. 
02:23:00 >> CERTAINLY PEOPLE ON THE PROPERTY 
02:23:02 REQUIRE THAT ANYWAY. 
02:23:03 >> ABSOLUTELY. 
02:23:04 >> I GUESS THIS WILL BE AN ACTION ITEM 
02:23:06 ON THE NEXT -- 
02:23:07 >> YES, ON THE NEXT ONE. 
02:23:09 >> AND IF WE CAN CIRCULATE TO EVERYBODY 
02:23:13 THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GET ON THE 
02:23:16 MITIGATION PRIOR TO THE AGENDA. 
02:23:17 >> YES, THROUGH MR. HOUSER. 
02:23:18 >> YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
02:23:20 ANY OTHER REQUESTS ON INFORMATION? 
02:23:24 ALRIGHT. 
02:23:25 >> THANK YOU, ALL. 
02:23:26 >> THANK YOU.